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		<title>by: msteele</title>
		<link>http://mullentown.com/when-the-chips-are-down/#comment-3422</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 16:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>David,

Nice to see you here at mullentown, in your non-anonymic and insightful way. Keep coming back!

Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>Nice to see you here at mullentown, in your non-anonymic and insightful way. Keep coming back!</p>
<p>Mark
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		<title>by: DavidRodeback</title>
		<link>http://mullentown.com/when-the-chips-are-down/#comment-3421</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 04:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://mullentown.com/when-the-chips-are-down/#comment-3421</guid>
					<description>"What does it take to find even the slightest serving of compassion in this country anymore?" If you want to see compassion, you have to stop looking for it in institutions and start looking for it in individual humans. I know lots of compassionate people; I don't think there's a shortage.

To me it seems an inferior compassion, if it is compassion at all, to be generous with (tax) money taken from others with the threat of imprisonment. Sorry. I guess that's why I'm a conservative.

Keep up the good blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What does it take to find even the slightest serving of compassion in this country anymore?&#8221; If you want to see compassion, you have to stop looking for it in institutions and start looking for it in individual humans. I know lots of compassionate people; I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s a shortage.</p>
<p>To me it seems an inferior compassion, if it is compassion at all, to be generous with (tax) money taken from others with the threat of imprisonment. Sorry. I guess that&#8217;s why I&#8217;m a conservative.</p>
<p>Keep up the good blog.
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		<title>by: msteele</title>
		<link>http://mullentown.com/when-the-chips-are-down/#comment-3419</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 12:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://mullentown.com/when-the-chips-are-down/#comment-3419</guid>
					<description>twowheelfish, interesting thoughts on the states, I know some have already expanded chip to include adults...

I think maybe you misunderstood my statement on the feds paying for kids' insurance. I'm all for chip where it's needed, but am concerned at the expansion for income levels where it's likely not needed. You indicated earlier how much more we spend for health expense than other industrialized nations. There are many complex reasons for this, but a couple of them are that we litigate at the drop of a hat and have shown a willingness to overmedicate and overtreat. I worry that some number of families with insurance now at the new income levels (50-80K) that would be covered by the expanded chip would drop their kids' coverage and let it be covered by taxes. For example, with my companies' insurance I could save a couple hundred a month if I dropped my kids coverage and let someone else cover it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>twowheelfish, interesting thoughts on the states, I know some have already expanded chip to include adults&#8230;</p>
<p>I think maybe you misunderstood my statement on the feds paying for kids&#8217; insurance. I&#8217;m all for chip where it&#8217;s needed, but am concerned at the expansion for income levels where it&#8217;s likely not needed. You indicated earlier how much more we spend for health expense than other industrialized nations. There are many complex reasons for this, but a couple of them are that we litigate at the drop of a hat and have shown a willingness to overmedicate and overtreat. I worry that some number of families with insurance now at the new income levels (50-80K) that would be covered by the expanded chip would drop their kids&#8217; coverage and let it be covered by taxes. For example, with my companies&#8217; insurance I could save a couple hundred a month if I dropped my kids coverage and let someone else cover it&#8230;
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		<title>by: twowheelfish</title>
		<link>http://mullentown.com/when-the-chips-are-down/#comment-3418</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://mullentown.com/when-the-chips-are-down/#comment-3418</guid>
					<description>msteele, it is the states that decide the eligibility for sCHIP hence New Jersey (and other states that are expensive to live in) is being taken to task by Bush 'cause their poverty rates are higher than those in Nebraska and thus they are paying for kids that elsewhere might not be considered in poverty . This program is not a federal axe in carrying out the obligation, only one in generating the funds. 

But think more about your first response: why should the feds pay kids medical bills? Fairly heartless response, IMHO, cause if the families had health insurance the kid would be covered already. But of the 45 million or more in USA that do NOT have insurance are all of them under the poverty line? Nope but we as a community still will end up paying their medical bills one way or another.  I, for one, would much rather pay a few cents per capita into a federal program that allows for childhood immunizations, etc. instead of having to pay dollars into local insurance programs that have to raise rates to cover indigent care in local emergency rooms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>msteele, it is the states that decide the eligibility for sCHIP hence New Jersey (and other states that are expensive to live in) is being taken to task by Bush &#8217;cause their poverty rates are higher than those in Nebraska and thus they are paying for kids that elsewhere might not be considered in poverty . This program is not a federal axe in carrying out the obligation, only one in generating the funds. </p>
<p>But think more about your first response: why should the feds pay kids medical bills? Fairly heartless response, IMHO, cause if the families had health insurance the kid would be covered already. But of the 45 million or more in USA that do NOT have insurance are all of them under the poverty line? Nope but we as a community still will end up paying their medical bills one way or another.  I, for one, would much rather pay a few cents per capita into a federal program that allows for childhood immunizations, etc. instead of having to pay dollars into local insurance programs that have to raise rates to cover indigent care in local emergency rooms.
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		<title>by: msteele</title>
		<link>http://mullentown.com/when-the-chips-are-down/#comment-3417</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 17:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://mullentown.com/when-the-chips-are-down/#comment-3417</guid>
					<description>If only this was a simple 'reauthorization' of SCHIP, I believe Pres. Bush would have signed it. But instead the Dem majority more than doubled the funding( from 25B to 60B), making it likely that families earning 4X the poverty level (or about 80k) could be eligible. I don't know why any family earning that much needs to have tax dollars pay their kids' medical bills.

I'm all for changing the medical care system--when i was laid off for several months a few years ago i found it daunting that at the worst possible time I had no reasonable access to insurance. But I guess I'd rather the system be shaped with a state-level scalpel, rather than a federal level axe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If only this was a simple &#8216;reauthorization&#8217; of SCHIP, I believe Pres. Bush would have signed it. But instead the Dem majority more than doubled the funding( from 25B to 60B), making it likely that families earning 4X the poverty level (or about 80k) could be eligible. I don&#8217;t know why any family earning that much needs to have tax dollars pay their kids&#8217; medical bills.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for changing the medical care system&#8211;when i was laid off for several months a few years ago i found it daunting that at the worst possible time I had no reasonable access to insurance. But I guess I&#8217;d rather the system be shaped with a state-level scalpel, rather than a federal level axe.
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		<title>by: twowheelfish</title>
		<link>http://mullentown.com/when-the-chips-are-down/#comment-3416</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 23:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>What is the purpose of CHIP, to provide health insurance to kids whose families can’t afford it. And if they don’t have access to health care, there are two probable results: the kid dies, or the kid takes on a health condition that will bleed the system of money for years and years.  Bush said it well: “Everyone has access to health care, just go to the emergency room”.  What is the difference in cost between an immunization against a treatable disease versus treating the disease itself: just add a few zeros. 

The US has the highest GDP going to health care of any other country (15%), in fact nearly double that of comparable western countries. The per capita cost of health care in the US is over $4,500 while that of European countries like Sweden, Switzerland and Germany closer to $2,500 per capita. The US has over 45,000,000 people without any medical insurance while those same European countries that have “socialized” medicine covers all citizens. And what does our system buy? Well, I have the best health care in the world, much of it supplied by University of Utah graduates and managed by either IHC or University Health care programs. But the quality of my health care does not trickle down.  The infant mortality index is a good indicator of the quality of health care in a total population: the US has the worst in the western industrial countries (greater that 7 per 1,000 live births), higher than that of Italy, UK, Australia, Germany, Switzerland or Sweden (which has about half the US death rate).

What CHIP does is lower the cost to society of health care to the citizens over their lifetime. Our health care system is tragically broken for many more people in this country than just the 45 million without insurance: just ask the UAW.  This CHIP program is a no brainer, the same way that having your kid get a diptheria immunization is a no brainer.  Bush, though, has no brain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the purpose of CHIP, to provide health insurance to kids whose families can’t afford it. And if they don’t have access to health care, there are two probable results: the kid dies, or the kid takes on a health condition that will bleed the system of money for years and years.  Bush said it well: “Everyone has access to health care, just go to the emergency room”.  What is the difference in cost between an immunization against a treatable disease versus treating the disease itself: just add a few zeros. </p>
<p>The US has the highest GDP going to health care of any other country (15%), in fact nearly double that of comparable western countries. The per capita cost of health care in the US is over $4,500 while that of European countries like Sweden, Switzerland and Germany closer to $2,500 per capita. The US has over 45,000,000 people without any medical insurance while those same European countries that have “socialized” medicine covers all citizens. And what does our system buy? Well, I have the best health care in the world, much of it supplied by University of Utah graduates and managed by either IHC or University Health care programs. But the quality of my health care does not trickle down.  The infant mortality index is a good indicator of the quality of health care in a total population: the US has the worst in the western industrial countries (greater that 7 per 1,000 live births), higher than that of Italy, UK, Australia, Germany, Switzerland or Sweden (which has about half the US death rate).</p>
<p>What CHIP does is lower the cost to society of health care to the citizens over their lifetime. Our health care system is tragically broken for many more people in this country than just the 45 million without insurance: just ask the UAW.  This CHIP program is a no brainer, the same way that having your kid get a diptheria immunization is a no brainer.  Bush, though, has no brain.
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		<title>by: larryomiller</title>
		<link>http://mullentown.com/when-the-chips-are-down/#comment-3414</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm not going away this election.
Go to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1AhaH1ozbg 
and listen to Dennis Kucinich's interview.

Dennis' net worth is under $50,000 unlike the multimillionare Democrats that are the "front runners".  He understands the plight of the homeless, the poor, the sick, the disabled.....

Orrin Hatch
is a catch
that's better
thrown back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not going away this election.<br />
Go to:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1AhaH1ozbg" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1AhaH1ozbg</a><br />
and listen to Dennis Kucinich&#8217;s interview.</p>
<p>Dennis&#8217; net worth is under $50,000 unlike the multimillionare Democrats that are the &#8220;front runners&#8221;.  He understands the plight of the homeless, the poor, the sick, the disabled&#8230;..</p>
<p>Orrin Hatch<br />
is a catch<br />
that&#8217;s better<br />
thrown back.
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		<title>by: lostinutah</title>
		<link>http://mullentown.com/when-the-chips-are-down/#comment-3412</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 03:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://mullentown.com/when-the-chips-are-down/#comment-3412</guid>
					<description>Rudy Giuliana indeed.  You know who I mean.  Sheesh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rudy Giuliana indeed.  You know who I mean.  Sheesh.
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		<title>by: lostinutah</title>
		<link>http://mullentown.com/when-the-chips-are-down/#comment-3411</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 03:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://mullentown.com/when-the-chips-are-down/#comment-3411</guid>
					<description>Yeah, Mr. Hatch and I agree on exactly two things...stem cell research and CHIP.  But that's two more than Mr. Bishop or Mr. Cannon and I agree on and that's something.  Canada may not take all of us but I repeat my promise to move there if another Shrub clone wins the White House.  In other words, if a Republican not named Rudy Giuliana wins (and that is still hard for me) I am outta here.  I will rename myself happyincanada.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Mr. Hatch and I agree on exactly two things&#8230;stem cell research and CHIP.  But that&#8217;s two more than Mr. Bishop or Mr. Cannon and I agree on and that&#8217;s something.  Canada may not take all of us but I repeat my promise to move there if another Shrub clone wins the White House.  In other words, if a Republican not named Rudy Giuliana wins (and that is still hard for me) I am outta here.  I will rename myself happyincanada.
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		<title>by: Holly</title>
		<link>http://mullentown.com/when-the-chips-are-down/#comment-3410</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 22:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://mullentown.com/when-the-chips-are-down/#comment-3410</guid>
					<description>Ranting is good. Let's all rant. Rants can work, even if only temporarily. Then let's vote to turn the whole thing over next November.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ranting is good. Let&#8217;s all rant. Rants can work, even if only temporarily. Then let&#8217;s vote to turn the whole thing over next November.
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