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]]> by: gabespop http://mullentown.com/bored-with-orem/#comment-50 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 16:59:36 +0000 http://mullentown.com/bored-with-orem/#comment-50 Thanks, coltakashi! That's what the zombies would say before eating me: "I just want you to know how happy being a zombie has made me." And if they're so dang happy, maybe I should join them. But your point is well taken. It's hard to criticize those folks for being relatively crime free. One of the things I like about living in Logan, as a matter of fact, is that if I forget to lock my door it's probably no big deal. And I think Krakauer's thesis was that adherence to a particular brand of fundamentalist Mormonism leads to violence. I think that he was talking about the Warren Jeffs crowd. Thanks, coltakashi! That’s what the zombies would say before eating me: “I just want you to know how happy being a zombie has made me.” And if they’re so dang happy, maybe I should join them.

But your point is well taken. It’s hard to criticize those folks for being relatively crime free. One of the things I like about living in Logan, as a matter of fact, is that if I forget to lock my door it’s probably no big deal.

And I think Krakauer’s thesis was that adherence to a particular brand of fundamentalist Mormonism leads to violence. I think that he was talking about the Warren Jeffs crowd.

]]> by: chardonnay http://mullentown.com/bored-with-orem/#comment-46 Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:53:50 +0000 http://mullentown.com/bored-with-orem/#comment-46 As a reply to coltakashi; I too have spent time in Tokyo and my status was gaijin (literally,"outside person"). The term also means being unable to understand Japanese culture. OK,so try moving to Orem as non-LDS..want your kids to have a normal social life ? Be involved yourself in the community ? Forget it. Your isolation will be more subtle but every bit as complete as living in Nippon. The good people of Utah co. thrive in their endless xenophobia. Cheers and Such, RB As a reply to coltakashi; I too have spent time in Tokyo and my status was gaijin (literally,”outside person”). The term also means being unable to understand Japanese culture. OK,so try moving to Orem as non-LDS..want your kids to have a normal social life ? Be involved yourself in the community ? Forget it. Your isolation will be more subtle but every bit as complete as living in Nippon. The good people of Utah co. thrive in their endless xenophobia. Cheers and Such, RB

]]> by: coltakashi http://mullentown.com/bored-with-orem/#comment-45 Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:35:01 +0000 http://mullentown.com/bored-with-orem/#comment-45 I've lived and worked in several major cities--Tokyo, Washington, DC, San Francisco--working as a prosecutor in two of them, and not having to be overly concerned that you are going to be robbed or beaten when you step outside your door is a commodity that, once lost, is not easily regained. Having helpful neighbors is also not something to be scoffed at. Back in the days before ubiquitous cheap cell phones, when I was moving into a house in Annandale, Virginia (just inside the Washington Beltway), I had an emergency with the natural gas in my house, but there were several of my neighbors who, even though they were home, would not let me borrow their phones to call the gas company or even do it for me. Why? One explained that her husband, a fireman, told her to never trust anyone far enough to let them inside the door of their home. Fear of crime is an acid that eats away at the flesh of a community, making it hard to accomplish anything positive. As for the occasional weird news from Orem: Even the nicest folks have strange people, and even criminals, in their families. The fact that these incidents are noteworthy shows that they are unusual in Orem. In South San Francisco or southeast Washington, DC, it would never make the news. Finally, the fear that is expressed of religious believers is puzzling to me. If Jon Krakauer's thesis (Under the Banner of Heaven) that Mormonism causes violence were true, Orem would have more drive-by shootings than South Central LA. But that clearly is not the case. I think the mythology that non-religious people like to tell themselves, that religious folks aren't for real, is an attempt to avoid thinking the obvious: "If these people are so danged happy, maybe I ought to join them. But since I don't want to, I will tell myself lies about them to justify my refusal to face the facts." The relative well-being of Orem is an inconvenient truth. I’ve lived and worked in several major cities–Tokyo, Washington, DC, San Francisco–working as a prosecutor in two of them, and not having to be overly concerned that you are going to be robbed or beaten when you step outside your door is a commodity that, once lost, is not easily regained.

Having helpful neighbors is also not something to be scoffed at. Back in the days before ubiquitous cheap cell phones, when I was moving into a house in Annandale, Virginia (just inside the Washington Beltway), I had an emergency with the natural gas in my house, but there were several of my neighbors who, even though they were home, would not let me borrow their phones to call the gas company or even do it for me. Why? One explained that her husband, a fireman, told her to never trust anyone far enough to let them inside the door of their home. Fear of crime is an acid that eats away at the flesh of a community, making it hard to accomplish anything positive.

As for the occasional weird news from Orem: Even the nicest folks have strange people, and even criminals, in their families. The fact that these incidents are noteworthy shows that they are unusual in Orem. In South San Francisco or southeast Washington, DC, it would never make the news.

Finally, the fear that is expressed of religious believers is puzzling to me. If Jon Krakauer’s thesis (Under the Banner of Heaven) that Mormonism causes violence were true, Orem would have more drive-by shootings than South Central LA. But that clearly is not the case. I think the mythology that non-religious people like to tell themselves, that religious folks aren’t for real, is an attempt to avoid thinking the obvious: “If these people are so danged happy, maybe I ought to join them. But since I don’t want to, I will tell myself lies about them to justify my refusal to face the facts.” The relative well-being of Orem is an inconvenient truth.

]]> by: gabespop http://mullentown.com/bored-with-orem/#comment-43 Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:45:56 +0000 http://mullentown.com/bored-with-orem/#comment-43 Okay, I'll confess. I make it a rule to spend as little time in Utah County as possible because I can't quite shake the feeling that if I stop my car at any intersection in that fair county, it will soon be surrounded by a mob of very well groomed and polite zombies who will try to bring me around to seeing things their way before eating me. That said, if the data seem to suggest that Orem is a relatively safe place to live, why rain on their parade? I mean, I bet you that they worry about the zombies too. Okay, I’ll confess. I make it a rule to spend as little time in Utah County as possible because I can’t quite shake the feeling that if I stop my car at any intersection in that fair county, it will soon be surrounded by a mob of very well groomed and polite zombies who will try to bring me around to seeing things their way before eating me.

That said, if the data seem to suggest that Orem is a relatively safe place to live, why rain on their parade? I mean, I bet you that they worry about the zombies too.

]]> by: Holly http://mullentown.com/bored-with-orem/#comment-40 Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:22:46 +0000 http://mullentown.com/bored-with-orem/#comment-40 I'll take the pinot and leave the heroin to Utah County! Thanks guys! I’ll take the pinot and leave the heroin to Utah County! Thanks guys!

]]> by: frankmusgrave http://mullentown.com/bored-with-orem/#comment-39 Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:54:45 +0000 http://mullentown.com/bored-with-orem/#comment-39 Heck sakes, Holly, don’t be so hard on the folks from Orem. It ain’t easy living in Provo’s shadow, you know. It must be something like being Julia Robert’s plain-Jane sister. No respect, if ya know what I mean. And then there’s the name: Orem. In the first place, it sounds a whole lot like Orrin. As in Hatch. How’d ya like to be confused with a pencil-necked crooner in his fifty-third term in the US of A Senate? NO THANK YOU! And while I’m at it, don’t say bad things about Utah County. Them folks has their own problems. They can’t decide if they’re a county or a state, or—as most of ‘em think—the whole goldarn universe. Show a little compassion, Holly. Please! Heck sakes, Holly, don’t be so hard on the folks from Orem. It ain’t easy living in Provo’s shadow, you know. It must be something like being Julia Robert’s plain-Jane sister. No respect, if ya know what I mean. And then there’s the name: Orem. In the first place, it sounds a whole lot like Orrin. As in Hatch. How’d ya like to be confused with a pencil-necked crooner in his fifty-third term in the US of A Senate? NO THANK YOU! And while I’m at it, don’t say bad things about Utah County. Them folks has their own problems. They can’t decide if they’re a county or a state, or—as most of ‘em think—the whole goldarn universe. Show a little compassion, Holly. Please!

]]> by: chardonnay http://mullentown.com/bored-with-orem/#comment-38 Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:18:15 +0000 http://mullentown.com/bored-with-orem/#comment-38 Well....such harsh words for Orem.Most of the citizens wear beautific smiles and worry not about ontological proofs.After all,they`ve got Mark Twain`s "chloroform in print" to guide them.I suspect a real nuisance might worry about Blood Atonement.As for myself,it`s a perfect January day in Sonoma.Time for a picnic with fresh crab & a glass of pinot noir. Cheers, RB Well….such harsh words for Orem.Most of the citizens wear beautific smiles and worry not about ontological proofs.After all,they`ve got Mark Twain`s “chloroform in print” to guide them.I suspect a real nuisance might worry about Blood Atonement.As for myself,it`s a perfect January day in Sonoma.Time for a picnic with fresh crab & a glass of pinot noir. Cheers, RB

]]> by: larryomiller http://mullentown.com/bored-with-orem/#comment-37 Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:28:41 +0000 http://mullentown.com/bored-with-orem/#comment-37 Go to http://www.morganquitno.com/index.htm and you'll discover that the Morgan Quinto Press SELLS these listings. That surely relieves me of any angst regarding methodolgy, statistical accuracy and integrity of data. You want safe, come to Eden. Go to http://www.morganquitno.com/index.htm and you’ll discover that the Morgan Quinto Press SELLS these listings. That surely relieves me of any angst regarding methodolgy, statistical accuracy and integrity of data.

You want safe, come to Eden.

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